Spiritual Shadows

Today on the show, we welcome Scott Kiloby and Toshi Matsunaga, authors of Awake But Sick, to explore the hidden emotional pain that can persist even after profound spiritual awakening. Their work challenges the common myths of nonduality and mindfulness, offering a deeper path through emotional repression, physical illness, and the illusion of immediate freedom. In this conversation, we explore the gap between awakening and true healing, the dangers of spiritual bypassing, and how to reconnect with the body’s wisdom to find lasting peace.

Links 

• Kiloby.com
• Nondualship with Toshi Matsunaga
• Nonduality & KI Monthly Meeting with Toshi
• Awake But Sick
• Emotional Repression Test Inquiry

Topics

• 00:00 Introduction to Guests and Their Work
• 01:34 Scott and Toshi’s Journey to Collaboration
• 02:31 Understanding Kiloby Inquiries (KI)
• 03:12 The Dimensions of Spiritual Practice
• 04:54 Addressing Spiritual Bypassing
• 08:48 The Connection Between Awakening and Suffering
• 12:26 The Role of Repressed Emotions
• 15:28 Integrating Non-Dual Teachings with Modern Psychosis
• 25:49 The Iceberg Metaphor and Emotional Repression
• 29:13 The Role of Spiritual Practices in Repression
• 31:35 Identifying Patterns of Avoidance and Spiritual Bypassing
• 32:49 Signs of Repression in Meditation and Spiritual Practices
• 36:31 Understanding and Addressing Anger Repression
• 46:54 The Importance of Community in Spiritual Work
• 52:20 Connecting with the Speakers and Their Work

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