#35 Deep Medicine - Science and Nonduality (SAND)

#35 Deep Medicine

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​In this two-part episode Dr. Rupa Marya illuminates the hidden connections between our biological systems and the profound injustices of our political and economic systems. What is deep medicine? How can re-establishing our relationships with the Earth and one another help us to heal? The first part of the episode is taken from a live SAND Community Conversation hosted by SAND Co-founders Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo.

The book Inflamed: Deep Medicine and the Anatomy of Injustice by Rupa Marya and Raj Patel is available now.

In the second part of this episode, Rupa is part of a panel hosted by Dr. Gabor Maté as part of The Wisdom of Trauma film launch ‘Talks on Trauma’ series. This panel discussion is called: “How Trauma Literacy Can Transform Medicine” with MDs: Pamela Wible, Will Van Derveer, Jeffrey Rediger, Dr. Gabor Maté, and Rupa Marya.

You can listen to this entire panel and 32 other talks as part of The Wisdom of Trauma All Access Pass.

Dr. Rupa Marya  is a physician, activist, writer, mother, and a composer. She is a Professor of Medicine at the University of California, San Francisco, where she practices and teaches internal medicine. Her work sits at the nexus of climate, health and racial justice. Dr Marya founded and directs the Deep Medicine Circle, a women of color-led organization committed to healing the wounds of colonialism through food, medicine, story, restoration and learning. She is also a co-founder of the Do No Harm Coalition, a collective of health workers committed to addressing disease through structural change. Dr Marya was recognized in 2021 with the Women Leaders in Medicine Award by the American Medical Student Association. She was a reviewer of the American Medical Association’s Organizational Strategic Plan to Embed Racial Justice and Advance Health Equity. Because of her work in health equity, Dr. Marya was appointed by Governor Newsom to the Healthy California for All Commission, to advance a model for universal healthcare in California. She has toured twenty-nine countries with her band, Rupa and the April Fishes, whose music was described by the legend Gil Scott-Heron as “Liberation Music.” Together with Raj Patel, she co-authored the international bestselling book Inflamed: Deep Medicine and the Anatomy of Injustice.


  • 01:00:00 – Introduction
  • 01:03:16 – Part 1, SAND Community Conversation
  • 01:04:28 – Rupa’s Personal Story and Childhood
  • 01:07:58 – Patterns in Traditional vs. Western Medicine and the Writing of ‘Inflamed’
  • 01:11:10 – Influence of Collective and Individual Trauma of Health
  • 01:12:49 – Colonial Power Structures in Medicine
  • 01:15:39 – Climate Collapse and Global Health
  • 01:17:27 – Indigenous Wisdom of the Interconnected Web of Life
  • 01:21:11 – How Do We Heal in a Balanced Way?
  • 01:31:33 – Part 2, How Trauma Literacy Can Transform Medicine with Gabor Maté
  • 01:35:59 – Pamela Wilbe Introduction
  • 01:38:37 – Jeffery Rediger Introduction
  • 01:41:55 – Will Van Derveer Introduction
  • 01:46:35 – Rupa Marya Introduction
  • 01:51:15 – Jeffrey Rediger Introduction
  • 01:54:17 – Overcoming Incurable Diseases
  • 02:03:45 – The Science of How Society Gets Into Our Cells
  • 02:36:39 – Conclusions

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