#51 After The Wisdom of Trauma

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Today on the podcast, we welcome two special guests, Science and Nonduality co-founders Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo.

Zaya and Maurizio are both filmmakers and activists. They merged their lifelong passions for science and mysticism when they met in 2007, and their first project together was filming the documentary Rays of the Absolute on the life and teachings of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj.

This project sparked their next level of creation and collaboration: SAND, a global community inspired by timeless wisdom traditions, informed by modern science, and grounded in direct experience.

In 2021 they released the acclaimed documentary The Wisdom of Trauma featuring Dr. Gabor Maté. And for the past year they have been traveling the globe working on their next documentary about indigenous cultures, resilience, and an expansion of what is meant by “Nonduality” and “Science”


  • 0:00 – Introduction
  • 3:09 – The Wisdom of Trauma
  • 11:16 – Exploring at the Edge
  • 14:34 – Genesis of the Next Film
  • 19:06 – Expansion of Nonduality
  • 22:04 – New Paradigms of Healing
  • 25:54 – Expansion of Science
  • 30:24 – Transformations
  • 34:50 – Learning to Listen
  • 44:28 – The Tree and the Whale
  • 56:30 – What’s Next with the Film?

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