#2 Wisdom in Death and Dying

Sounds of SAND presents an in-depth and provocative conversation from Science and Nonduality’s “Death and Dying” online summit. A long-time friend of SAND Stephen Jenkinson offers a frank dialog with SAND co-founders Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo. This conversation took place during the first months of COVID which you’ll hear Stephen talk about as “the plague”.

Stephen Jenkinson is an activist, teacher, author, and farmer. He’s the founder of the Orphan Wisdom School in Tramore, Canada, and the author of four books, including Die Wise: A Manifesto for Sanity and Soul, the award-winning book about grief and dying and the great love of life. And stick around until the end of the podcast to hear a spoken word musical collaboration from Stephen and Gregory Hoskins from their Nights of Grief and Mystery project.



  • the meaning of death and dying in a death-phobic culture

  • the idea of death as a god

  • the differences between death culture in North America and Europe and other cultures

  • Stephen’s perspectives on Euthanasia.

  • plus some original music from Stephen and Gregory Hoskins at the end of the episode!

Life is a Gift

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Short excerpt from an interview Charles Eisenstein gave on the Know Thyself podcast

#59 Attuned

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Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo discuss Thomas’ new book Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma

Murmurations: Growing Through Grief

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At its core, grief is an acknowledgment of love

The Resonance of Grief

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Visual journey with narration from our recent conversation with Francis Weller by Yasen Stoev

Cold Solace

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When my mother died,one of her honey cakes remained in the freezer

How a mother’s voice shapes her baby’s developing brain

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Most of us carry a mother's voice in the neural patterns of our brain

The Lost Art of Grief

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An examination of sorrow and grief in Terrence Malick’s ‘The New World’ based on Francis Weller’s The Wild Edge of Sorrow To connect with Francis Weller, we invite you to this upcoming Community Conversation:

A Child’s Song

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A touching fable on the power of song and community

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